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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me gatri

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Jeremy Corbin used to be his brother now

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he's Jeremy Corbin's brother his brother

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appears Corbin to me I've been

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interviewing him for many years long

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before he was famous principally for

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being a prince of the Republican royal

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family and that's because he's not just

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a weatherman he's a climate scientist of

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the top rank moreover one who challenges

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what Dr Johnson called the grimmest

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dictatorship of them all the

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dictatorship of the prevailing Orthodoxy

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most others are ranged against them but

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then that was the case with Galileo too

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so facing not the Spanish Inquisition

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but the Sputnik Inquisition I'm glad to

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welcome Pierce Corbin Pierce they try to

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paint you as a renegade a dissident a

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Maverick but in fact you're just about

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one of the most highly qualified people

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in this country to speak on this matter

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well of course I got a first class

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degree in physics I studied theoretical

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physics solid state physics and I've got

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an m and astrophysics so I understand

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sun earth relations and researching into

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that I've written papers on Galaxy

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formation and the mean ma density of the

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universe well I'd like to have you back

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to speak on that latter point about

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Galaxy formation but not today um the

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essential cause the proximate cause of

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your disagreement with the climate

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change Lobby is that you don't believe

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that in so far as there is global

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warming that man and man-made activity

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is causing it summarize that would you

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well actually it's not even a question

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of belief it's a question of fact if you

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look at the graph uh you can see that

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the projections of the CO2 Theory uh

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show this should have been continuous

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warming now and they still say that be

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warming whereas World temperatures

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according to satellites which are

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accurate show a uh leveling out and now

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a decline which is completely contrary

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to their theory that would be a very

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serious State of Affairs given the

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entire world has been mobilized around

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the thesis that we were on a path of

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ever upward global warming well of

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course but it it you see the United

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Nations intergovernmental panel on

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climate change is not a scientific body

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it's a political body it's for

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negotiations between governments and

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what in fact happens through this

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process is the Western countries Britain

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Europe are being

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de-industrialized and their their

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activities are being exported to other

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countries and the production of CO2 is

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just being moved from Britain and Europe

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to India and so forth so there's not

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actually any reduction in CO2 by their

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measures there is a reduction in jobs

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and the people who make money out of it

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are the big corporations the big Banks

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people like us and so forth who play

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games with investing in SOC called

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saving the planet actually they're

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saving themselves and yet most of the uh

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support for the prevailing Orthodoxy

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comes from people on the liberal left

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doesn't it you wouldn't get much change

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in the guardian on arguing your point of

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view in fact most of the dissidents

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appear to be people on the right they

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are but not entirely OB just been to

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quite a successful conference in Paris

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not the big one on TV our own

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alternative conference and the point was

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made there by a number of delegates you

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don't have to be either left or right to

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stand for scientific truth and there was

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people there from the left and people

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there from the right and the point is we

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insist on accountable science

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evidence-based science and all the facts

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show that the CO2 theory is nonsense it

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involves fraud and we've Now set up an

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International geoethics committee which

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is going to go hard against fraud by

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governments and government scientists so

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all these green taxes all this

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de-industrialization in the name of

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combating global warming it's your case

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that these have been all fundamentally

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flawed yes absolutely and what about

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hybrid vehicles would would it not be

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the case that if the global warming

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argument is not true that they would not

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have flourished or things like harrid

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vehicles are experimental fine do it but

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I mean they're not the answer to

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anything because all you're doing in

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terms of CO2 you're just making the CO2

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in a power station somewhere and making

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into electricity so you know it's might

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be less diesel fumes in a city which is

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a good thing but in terms of so-called

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saving the planet by reducing CO2 it's

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nonsense unless you turn over to nuclear

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power but then of course the nuclear

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power has all sorts of issues if people

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get hold of way plutonium we could have

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a few problems indeed so if not global

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warming I want you to show the viewers

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what it is that causes fluctuations cuz

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that's what we are now talking about not

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an Ever upward uh curve but fluctuations

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in global temperatures I have brought

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along a prop that might be useful I have

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the whole world in my hands okay I told

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you it was Sputnik orbiting the world

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so what we want to do is show on this

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I'll stand up for that the jet stream

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now the jet stream is upper air which

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moves very

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fast um goes round and around the globe

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it's this is a very simplified version

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but the point is when the globe is

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warmer the jet stream is

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shorter and the cold bit to the South is

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sorry the warm bit to the South is

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bigger and the cold bit to the north is

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smaller smaller okay and in periods of

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of low solar activity the jet stream

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gets longer goes further south and has

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more waves in it now that's the

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situation perfect uh Circle no no it's

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waving around it's more like the Gangi

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Delta but but you know goes all over the

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place but basically it can be simplified

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in terms of a stream so if you have the

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jet stream say going sth like this then

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this will bring a lot of very cold air

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and that will bring snow snow down into

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the Mediterranean and on this side

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these great streams of air which come

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from the Sahara up into Russia so we had

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that super heated Russia in in uh 2010

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2010 and the motion of the jet stream is

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controlled by solar activity and we can

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predict changes in the jet stream and

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extreme weather now the carbon dioxide

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jet stream they add as much CO2 as they

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want into the modals it does not affect

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the jet stream whereas the solar

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activity does so we say that under the

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climate change act in Britain section

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six Clause 2 where it says as the

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science changes then the measures have

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to change we said look the science has

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changed it's not what the climate change

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act assumed so there has to be a

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discussion in Parliament in Britain and

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Europe to revise what what they think

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and actually apply proper science the

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logic of which would be get rid of all

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carbon taxes that's what we say but

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let's discuss it and therefore save the

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British steel industry for example which

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accept because they have moved the

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establishment and the political class

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and the liberal media class has moved so

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monolithically towards the uh

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traditional global warming thesis they

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work decades on it to get governments

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all over the world to agree on the okay

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but who has worked you see if scientists

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don't agree they're marginalized uh not

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given jobs in universities and so forth

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now I've got plenty of friends in in in

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Academia who just shut up you know

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because to speak out we're give them

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trouble but I'm a scientist that is

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supported independently by selling

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forecast to Farmers so nobody can touch

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us financially so we say what we want

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now outside we've got uh storm Desmond

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uh people are getting ready to shiver

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through uh another bitter winter

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pensioners not being able to uh pay to

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keep themselves warm choosing between

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food and heat and all the Norms of uh of

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a contemporary capitalist uh

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Society it's always been I mean I I'm

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not qualified to really critique your uh

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your thesis but it's always seemed

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rather a a tall tail to me that we were

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causing whatever fluctuations that they

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were cuz if you look at the actual

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amounts if if if the whole atmosphere

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was Big Ben tower then the amount of

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carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is just

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like an inch on the top of Big Ben tower

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and man's contribution to that is a

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millimeter on top of the inch so we're

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asked to believe that man's one mm

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controls that 1 in which is insane

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because of course if that's true it

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means that termites and ants who produce

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10 times as much CO2 equivalent as man

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have to follow man's bidding well well

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of course they don't it's an insane idea

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it's an insane idea I was going to say

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this this this would therefore if you

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turn out to be right and I wouldn't put

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money against it uh would be the the

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greatest hoax I was going to say the

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greatest hoax since but I can't actually

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think of a hoax that compares with it uh

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uh what lay behind that hoax well what

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is behind this hoax if you can call it a

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hoax well it's an Unholy Alliance of all

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sorts of people I mean people that uh

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young people who want to do good they're

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told this is Sav in the world so they're

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joining big corporations they love it

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because it involves collecting taxes and

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spending taxes on behalf of big projects

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like giant wind farms or or um solar

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power and so on now those projects on an

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experimental basis can be good but to

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impose them on people thereby trebling

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their energy costs is just completely

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wrong it is holding back the development

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of the third world not helping it in any

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way whatsoever no we've got uh storm

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Desmond uh outside our door here but of

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course we've now descended into another

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storm another uh hot front uh in

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Syria uh I know you don't speak for your

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brother but you do have a voice yourself

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how is war around the world uh affecting

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the planet I would have thought a great

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deal more than a millimeter on top of an

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inch on top of Big Ben well no I I think

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the the war around the world it just

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causes suffering and the the backlash

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bombing uh plenty of innocent people as

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well as the people they're looking for

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is just going to be more had his at home

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which I think is completely insane I

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mean what you've got to do to stop this

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war is to cut it off at source and you

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the funding look Saudi Arabia Qatar

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Pakistan and turkey are all funding Isis

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we're back to money again are I'm

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keeping hold of the world Pierce Corbin

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thanks very much for coming on board the

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Sputnik thank you very much coming up

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next possibly the most prolific writer

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on God's green earth fr is Becket stay

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tuned welcome back to Sputnik 1956 was a

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seminal year Britain's Imperial

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pretentions came to a crushing end H in

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the Suz Affair the Soviet Union

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denounced Stalin invaded Hungary and the

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US formly declared itself the

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unchallengeable leader of what it called

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The Free World Francis Beckett is the

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author of Inc CLM Atley and much else

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besides and he has chronicled that year

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in mesmerizing detail in his latest book

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which is why we're glad he's back on

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board the Sputnik Francis you know I

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enjoy your work I have more of your

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books than almost any other author but

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the first chapter of this book I almost

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called you up but it was too late at

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night to tell you was one of the most

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sustained ferocious brilliant and

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eloquent CR critiques of what Britain

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was like in

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1956 thank you George I'll come back now

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thank you so before we go worldwide tell

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the viewers many of whom in these ukip

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days are a bit nostalgic for 1950s

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Britain what it was really like well I

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don't think I'd advise anybody to go

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back to 1956 if you were able to take a

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trip back to 1956 you discover a world

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in which women were supposed to regard

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sex as a kind of commod

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which you traded for a wedding ring um

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in there's a there's a wonderful story

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about 1956 told by David Lodge he says

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that um he and his girlfriend uh firstly

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um after six or eight months he felt her

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breast outside the bra and so on until

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about five years it's the it's the

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longest warm-up session in history um it

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was also a time when people genuinely

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still believed that Britain ruled the

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waves it was a time when if you or I

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went into a barber shop we would say

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short back and sides and it would be

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considered unmanly to say anything else

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at all um it was the time of the there

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was a play just before 1956 in 1955 by

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John Osborne who became famous in 1956

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of course for look back in anger but in

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1955 he' published he there' been a kind

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of preliminary to that called epit for

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George Dylan and there's a wonderful

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Exchange in that epot where somebody

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says and it would be perfectly

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conceivable that somebody might say it

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in in the years before 1956 somebody

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said you know hler had the right idea

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and the other person on the stage said

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really and he said yeah but he went too

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far and the other one says you think he

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went too far and the first one says

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definitely too far and that is a

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dialogue if you can remember the era

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which could have happened well I was

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born in 54 so I don't recall 56 very

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much but the jukeboxes began to change

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of course in 1956 prior to that I don't

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know Henry manini and his orchestra uh

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the the big band sound rock and roll was

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born in a way British rock and roll was

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Bor British rock and roll was born in

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1956 before 1956 and as far as you knew

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anything at all about rock and roll it

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was an American it was the American

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version and it was an American import

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Bill hilly in the comets and and it was

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regarded as something pretty strange and

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pretty odd and it's only 1956 when you

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get homemade rock and roll you get Tommy

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steel and you get the people who are who

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are making it in Britain and suddenly it

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becomes something that the British are

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really keen on and really interested in

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and the youth began to have purchas

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didn't they yeah they did the word

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teenager was pretty new at the time but

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what it really meant was that for the

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very first time people in their teens

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had some sort of purchasing power I me

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one of the many reasons I would advise

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the young never to try to go back to the

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50s which they're so often advised to do

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is that they had no money no power they

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were little people sent around in their

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school uniforms um and if they wanted

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something they had to ask somebody for

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the for for the penny to go and buy it

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it's only at that time that teenagers

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start to be start to become people with

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some sort of independent purchasing

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power and some sort of decision making

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power over o over what the society was

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going to produce and they had attitudes

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to race we've touched on but also to

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women which seem like prehistoric

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extraordinary there was a a musical of

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the time called Salad Days it was very

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very popular very famous musical and it

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was very popular and ran for years and

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there was a scene towards the end where

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the woman where the young woman had been

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um been she'd been a little bit

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difficult So eventually the boyfriend

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put her over his the in Span her and she

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could and she didn't and she didn't

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misbehave again and I and I saw the

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exact exact scene in this television

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documentary series it was all right in

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the 60s it was all right in the 60s and

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people look back at it with horror today

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obviously I by the 60s in London perhaps

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not in Scotland Geor in the provinces

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but but I wasn't going to say we were

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still spanking in the provinces well

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into the 60s oh I wish I'd lived but um

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no it it didn't happen um it in London

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at any rate it wouldn't have been all

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right in the 60s by the end of the 50s

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people were starting to see that that

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sort of behavior wasn't acceptable but

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of course we' watched American films

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we'd watched John Wayne who did it on a

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regular basis yes indeed now of course

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1956 and your book deals with the vast

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seminal international events as well as

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looking at British Society uh let's deal

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with the first of those Suz uh known now

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as a fiasco led to the fenestration of

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the Prime Minister Anthony Eden was

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already falling by the end of 56

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replaced in January 57 by Harold

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McMillan what was the story of Suz and

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what was its lasting impact particularly

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on the conservative party well the long

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the long story is that Su was part of

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Britain's um absurd pretention that it

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could somehow or another make the Middle

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East a better place by continually

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sending troops in um so that uh we had

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uh we had

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absolutely the British government still

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seem to labor under this under this

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strange illusion um but the story was

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the uh was that President NASA of Egypt

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wanted to take over the sez Canal not

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you and I might think

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necessarily unreasonable thing to do

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given that it flowed through his country

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uh and he wanted the the the revenues

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from the ships of past threat and of

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course um this this horrified the

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British government and to cut a very

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long story very short the British sent

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troops in militarily it was fairly

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successful campaign they were starting

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to overwhelm the Egyptian Army and

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retake the canal but uh what they had

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not done was to check it out with the

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Americans beforehand President

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Eisenhower was just up for reelection

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and this hit him two or three days

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before polling day in his reelection

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campaign and his wrath was terrible and

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the moment he was re-elected he gave a

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Curt instruction to the British that if

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they didn't withdraw immediately there

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would be oil sanctions there would be

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Financial sanctions there was immediate

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selling of Sterling at an enormous rate

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um and the British government was forced

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to realize that if it did not withdraw

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from suiz immediately the nation would

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be bankrupt and thus the United States

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declared itself the boss thus the United

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States declared itself the boss mainly

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through Eden's stupidity and foolishness

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um the the United and and from then on

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in you know from then on in no British

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prime minister has done has if the if an

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American president says to a British

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prime minister jump the British prime

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minister says how high and there have

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been practically no British prime

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ministers who have bucked that Trend

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oddly the one who really who who began

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to Buck it was Ted Heath to some extent

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and because his vision turned

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toit a European power but pretty well

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every prime minister since then has been

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an atlanticist and Harold McMillan's

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first job when he became prime minister

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in January 1957 was to crawl off to

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Washington with as much dignity as he

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could Master which wasn't very much and

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and and take whatever crumbs uh the

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American president was prepared to throw

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in by way of a face saving exercise no

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the Soviet Union uh in

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1956 intervened in Hungary with

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potentially disastrous results uh for

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the international movement that was uh

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Consulting around uh Moscow at that time

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tell us about that well Hungary the the

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Soviet Union intervened in Hungary uh on

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the basis that there was there had been

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a a tremendous revolt against uh the the

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Hungarian government which was

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essentially a Soviet satellite

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government it was essentially a

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government that that was it didn't

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it wasn't totally controlled by the

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Soviet Union but it was very largely

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controlled by the Soviet Union there was

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a tremendous reaction against that in

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the years before 1956 which came to a

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head in 1956 to some to to the extent

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that at the same time as the SE Invasion

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happened the Soviet Union sent troops

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into Hungary now I suspect and the

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papers tend to bear this out that it

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wasn't entirely an accident that it

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happened at the same time as the seers

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adventure

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and that if the British government had

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behaved a little bit more sensibly over

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sew we might never have seen Hungary

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what happened I think was that krof saw

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that the West wasn't really paying

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attention was far too much far too bound

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up with its own Affairs to take very

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much interest in what was going on in

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Eastern Europe so he invaded Hungary he

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installed uh a a a government that was

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going to be much more amenable to Soviet

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guidance and so things remained for many

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years

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afterwards to what extent then can we

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say

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1956 was a major turning point in world

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events I think it was a major turning

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point in world events and an even more

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major turning point in British events uh

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it was the time when Britain was forced

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to realize that it was no longer an

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imperial power that it couldn't really

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do anything on the world stage that the

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Americans didn't didn't approve of it

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was the time that um the Soviet Union it

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was the first time that the Soviet Union

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in order to keep control of the areas of

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Eastern Europe which it had um in which

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it had installed governments after the

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second world war it was the time the

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first time in which it actually had to

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be seen to hold one of them down um it

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was the time because of that and because

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of kof's secret speech which happened

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earlier in the year in which kof

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denounced the the the crimes of Stalin

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it was the point at which in Britain

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the it it was the beginning of the end

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for the British Communist party because

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uh British the British Communist Party

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found it harder and harder thereafter to

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be able to sell the Soviet Union as a

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model for socialism so really was a

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turning point in world events in every

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possible way it's a fantastic book I

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don't agree with everything in it but I

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urge everyone to read it thank you

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George Francis Beck thanks for joining

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us on the

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Sputnik and now it's your turn to tell

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us what you think through the portals of

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social media what's rling gy so I asked

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climate change man-made or not and

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Ricardo Picasso makes a very strong

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counter argument to Pierce's thesis it

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may prove to be man's worst contribution

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to planet Earth worse than War

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imperialism and oppression we will never

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change the world if we don't have one in

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which to live and khit galini says we

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surely can't change the climate but we

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can try to stop human greed I must say

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I'm increasingly interested in Pierce

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Corbin's thesis I'm not really qualified

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to be the judge but I hate prevailing

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Orthodoxy because it is so very often

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wrong and that's all that we've got time

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for this week which alas means that's

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the end of the show you can stay in

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touch with us though on Twitter at rtor

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Sputnik or on Facebook Sputnik on Russia

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today it's goodbye from me gatri and

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from me George Galloway it's been

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marvelous

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